Below are some images from my trip to the Western Doors / Window Factor in Arizona in Early April 2019 and I was impressed with their factory / work culture and products. Specifically for this project I was impressed with the Simulated Steel Windows - see website link below + images below:
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In the last meeting I mentioned that the plan isn't 100% coordinated with the elevations. Often times in design one influences the other and you go back and forth in terms of what is the best solution. Doors are more critical than windows (after I drew the elevations and modified things to look right or in proportion) but so are full height windows. Example in plan it shows in the art gallery each side bank of windows on either side of the front door has 4 divisions window....... but in plan these would be 4ft wide each section.... and it didn't look right so I modified it to be a 5 panel division all at 3ft.
Here are some exceptions which I think are still fine (again this doesn't apply to smaller windows that have other functional considerations):
Tim, as we're deciding on the Great Room, could I get a little more information about the other windows and doors around the house. I know you previously mentioned trying to stay consistent with 3 foot wide doors and windows except in certain areas - which is ok. But, it's hard to tell on the plan the dimensions of the windows, and where you're deviating from 3' if at all (they're not necessary marked). For example, are the exterior art gallery (hallway) windows each 3 ft wide, or are you showing one large window? (On the plan, those look wider than 3'). Maybe stated another way, could you let me know which doors and windows are not 3 ft wide?
Thanks,
Greg
Tim, we're in Mexico this week for a golf tournament and busier than expected entertaining our guests. Thought we'd be able to really focus and have an decision on the Great Room doors today -- but we haven't and don't. We totally agree with your comment -- its too important to rush. So, please bear with us; we'll let you know soon...
Greg
Sounds good - and these are important decisions that shouldn't be rushed. I agree with you that you can forgo having muntins on the large kitchen sliders and your point about the muntins not matching Western if you go with Reveal is a good one :)
Tim, thanks for your response - it's very helpful. Just wanted to let you know we'll have a decision on the Great Room doors no later than Tuesday.
Regarding the Kitchen sliders, we'll give you our preferred panel size on Tuesday. Your comments about muntin grids got us thinking about that. For those doors, we're also thinking of possibly foregoing mullions (we've seen plenty of examples in magazines where special areas can be a little different (no mullions on some even in same room with windows containing mullions). Depending on the system we choose in the Great Room, we may forego mullions on the doors but put them on the transom windows above. If we choose Reveal sliding doors, they wouldn't have the same mullions as the Western windows -- so we wouldn't have a match anyway.
Again, hold tight until Tuesday...!
P.S. your deck looks great, but I think you need some railings!
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Just let me know on #1 and #2 above then I'll modify the drawing
Tim, Mary and I have had a chance to review the drawings and reflect on the windows and doors -- and have some comments and questions. At this stage of the design process, I think we're getting a little twisted up on the options, looks, functionality, etc. -- and need your advice (and patience).
Overall, we think consistent 3 ft. doors and windows around the house are probably fine -- but now after looking at the revised drawings feel that sliding doors at this width may be too narrow. Big sliding doors look great (like your house); a bunch of small sliding doors not so much. We also recognize that not all the sliders can pocket (like at the dining area; 1 fixed is ok in this area), but generally we'd want to sliders to pocket for maximum view/visibility (without looking through stacked windows). We're thinking there's no point in having sliders if they don't look good, and/or if they don't completely "open up" the living areas. Here's where we are at this point:
1) we need to think about what system we really want in the Great Room. We started off thinking French doors and side lights would look good and work well, but then started considering sliding and folding systems. We're now beginning to wonder if we're trying to force those systems into an area that won't accommodate them well (considering size of opening, exposure, etc.) . Unless we go larger on the sliders and pocket them (except in the dining area) -- without goofing up the look -- we're probably going back to bi-folding in the Great Room.
2) we definitely want sliders in the kitchen, but would like the panels to be 3'-6" - 4'-0" and pocket into one wall (towards the prep kitchen). We'll go with the Reveal system so we can have a completely indoor/outdoor feeling with the flush track system.
3) we definitely want the bi-folding door between the dining and kitchen (I did not mean to suggest in my Thursday post that we wanted to change that to sliding).
Your comments would be most helpful.
Tim Haley said:
Sorry about that - the new ones are now uploaded.
Did you up a new A2.1 and A2.2? Allylocal is still showing the old versions...
Hi Greg - glad you liked your meeting with Bob - he's a great guy!
1) I generally still prefer Bi-Folding Doors - but as you know we did go with a Multi-Slide on our house
a) We went for the Multi-Slides mainly due to our weather exposure - and I think you made the right choice based on this as well (better to be safe)
b) Actually Bi-Folds only have 1 track.... where multi-slides have staggered multiple tracks.
c) They can be awkward sometimes
d) True but they also open up to a wider opening - thus I still recommend a Bi-Fold for the interior door between the Dining and Kitchen.... however.... I redrew it to show you a pocket multi-slide option like we did for the Impluvium / Entry door..... and if we wanted to keep it consistent with sliders then we should do it as the pocket door newly shown.
e) There are +/- to each and I go back and forth depending on the project - however - I think the overriding factor for you (and on our house as well) is the exposure we have to wind driven rain
2) It is a difficult decision between WWS and Reveal..... for the Wall Systems. For the windows themselves WWS is much less expensive than going all Reveal so if you do decide to go with Reveal I suggest you do what we did and mix and match.
3) Glad you liked Bob...... he is Great and I hope you can meet Tony as well the manufacturer's regional rep for WWS
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Per our last meeting I mentioned I wanted to make all the doors a consistent width of 3ft...... some of them were larger to set a different overall width (and this is still the case with the only door system being the one between the Impluvium and Entry - at 3'-4" per door - but I think it is fine to break the rule here)....... since we decided on going to the sliding door system. See revised A2.1 and A2.2. Now that we have this refined (unless you want to change things after seeing this new plan) along with the dimensions - I'll circle back around and work on the elevations again - but let me know).
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