Schematic Design

[Tim Haley]

Posted the Current Drawings (A1.1, A2.1, A3.1 and A3.2)

Let me know what you think?

[Tim Haley]

Sounds good - Let me know when you hear from Ed.

[Alton Ching]

Yes, I can see the similar style. Waiting on Ed to provide some resources so that we can take a look at actual samples of wood like materials and metal inlays.

[Tim Haley]

Added Material Notes to Elevations

[Tim Haley]

I am back from my two day trip to Oregon to get my daughter registered for her classes and getting her a new apartment.  My daughter's new apartment happens to share the same wood detail and similar stucco expansion joint detail that we want to achieve on your project.  See images above and below:

[Tim Haley]

Hi Allen,

Most building departments or design review boards want to see a color / material / sample board with the actual materials used on the project.  They know (as I mentioned before) that a rendering (computer or artistic) - doesn't produce an accurate rendition of what will actually be built (they know its just an interpretation).  Thus the real sample board.  The advantage of the sample board (besides being required) - is that you can use it for quality control of construction.  Once you have the material and colors selected and you have samples ---- you just tell the subs to match the samples - if they don't and you don't like what they did - you have them re-do it to match the samples.

I suggest that the next step would be to have Alton attach to this e-mail (and upload to www.allylocal.com) his images that he showed on site.  Ed should be able to forward this to his sub-contractors and have them produce the samples.

Note - I'll be up in Oregon on Monday and Tuesday (going through orientation with my daughter up at UoO) - but I will still have access to the internet and my cell 925-451-8256.

I'll copy both Allen's e-mail and this e-mail to our project page on www.allylocal.com so we can keep an archive.

Thanks,

Tim Haley
Architect - AIA

Tim Haley said:

Yesterday - from Allen to Ed (e-mail):

Hi Ed,

Can you please provide Alton and I a quote as to how much things will cost to redo the exterior of the building?  We now need to see what our budget looks like as ideally would like to get things rolling and one in the next month or 2.   Please connect with Tim if you need a more clear picture which direction we would like to take or responding to this email chain will be just as good.  I left early when we last met at the property.  Also, it was suggested that we ask you to perhaps provide us with stucco and wood samples for us to produce a "material sample board" matching the pictures Alton showed previously.  Also, the building department would want to see this anyway?

Tim:  To your last comment to Alton and I regarding the 3D rendering and color...i don't think we want to spend $1000+.  Let's see what hard material we can see and match with Ed's samples if at all possible. 

Thank you gentlemen for your time.

[Tim Haley]

Yesterday - from Allen to Ed (e-mail):

Hi Ed,

Can you please provide Alton and I a quote as to how much things will cost to redo the exterior of the building?  We now need to see what our budget looks like as ideally would like to get things rolling and one in the next month or 2.   Please connect with Tim if you need a more clear picture which direction we would like to take or responding to this email chain will be just as good.  I left early when we last met at the property.  Also, it was suggested that we ask you to perhaps provide us with stucco and wood samples for us to produce a "material sample board" matching the pictures Alton showed previously.  Also, the building department would want to see this anyway?

Tim:  To your last comment to Alton and I regarding the 3D rendering and color...i don't think we want to spend $1000+.  Let's see what hard material we can see and match with Ed's samples if at all possible. 

Thank you gentlemen for your time.

[Tim Haley]

I would have to print it out and apply color pencil to it (and it wouldn't look good).  I don't keep up to date with the latest computer rending software (since it isn't needed for pulling a permit) - that would show colors and materials more accurately.  When a computer 3d model or rendering is needed I consult out with those people that specialize in that (and it cost over $1k to produce these).  Let me know if you want me to contact the consultant or not?

I would suggest just having Ed give us some stucco and wood samples for us to produce a material sample board.  He can match the picture you showed us.  Typically building department would want this anyway rather than an artist rendition of the color and materials.  When it is built we can say - match this sample board for colors and materials.

[Alton Ching]

 I think showing the metal would be a nice modern touch off the concrete stucco. I understand that the color is difficult to accurately assess but wondering if you could appease our eyes as we look at this drawing to appreciate the possible contrast between the wood and the stucco with metal inlays. I think this would give us a better feel for the two combined elements and the actual horizontal and vertical lay out. We are seeing it from a lay peson's set of eyes so the actual image and color will help us confirm the style combo since we don't  necessarily have the vision/foresight to assess how things could look like through your eyes as the architect.

A simple rendition of brown wood grain combined with grey stucco with metal inlay color would work.

What do you think?

[Tim Haley]

Color is not something we can accurately show on a computer drawing.  It is best to just say (it will look like the color in the picture that you like).  To get a feel of what the color will look like in real life we should have Ed's stucco guy produce a sample for us along with this detail so you can see what the metal strip detail would look like.  The City of Redwood City would want a sample board (not an approximation of the colors with a color sketch).   I've attached some links to some images on what the stucco metal channels would look like (keep in mind the one in this image is painted the same color as the stucco - we can do this or leave it a metal color - or any color we want).

[Alton Ching]

It's difficult to appreciate the contrast between the horizontal wood vs the concrete/metal square layers. Can you add color to show what the building could look like? Also, you mentioned that the concrete with the metal strip inlays would be embedded. Can you show a close up drawing of how this metal inlay would look like in the concrete?